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NRA takes aim at Akron mayor

Had joined group that opposes illegal guns
Intelligencer Journal
Lancaster New Era
Sep 16, 2009 07:24
Akron
By KIMBERLY MARSELAS
Correspondent

Akron's Republican mayor has resigned from a national organization opposing illegal weapons after the National Rifle Association launched a mail campaign labeling him "anti-gun."

Mayor John McBeth joined Mayors Against Illegal Guns several months ago, but he announced at a borough council meeting this week that he has left the group following an NRA mailing and a flurry of phone calls from concerned constituents in early September.

McBeth said he was looking for new anti-crime ideas when he joined the 450-member association, which combats illegal gun possession and is not opposed to legal gun ownership.

"It's not an organization that's against guns. If it was, I wouldn't have joined it," McBeth said Monday. "Because of the confusion and the fact that (the membership) is being used as the continued subject of a smear campaign, I have asked the association to remove my name from their membership."

After the meeting, McBeth said he heard from eight Akron residents about the postcards and had "civil" conversations about the issue with most of them. At least one resident contacted council members, accusing McBeth of misrepresenting the borough.

The NRA's orange, oversized postcards, dated Sept. 4, urge citizens to call McBeth and tell him to quit the association. The NRA has launched similar campaigns against other mayors across the country, including John Brenner of York, who said this week that he will not end his membership.

Several of the borough's elected officials expressed concern that the NRA had targeted McBeth.

"I appreciate your courage and your innovation for trying new things," council member John Williamson said during the meeting. "It's something we should all applaud."

The bipartisan Mayors Against Illegal Guns was founded in 2006 by New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg. The NRA postcard linked McBeth to Bloomberg's liberal policies, which are not necessarily supported by the mayors' organization. It accused the mayors' association of working to end gun show sales and opposing reform of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. McBeth called those allegations and others "blatantly false."

On its Web site, the mayors' association says its goal is to prevent criminals from obtaining guns.

"We respect the rights of law abiding citizens to own guns, and we recognize that the vast majority of gun dealers carefully follow the law. Our only interest is in fighting crime-and we are determined to win. The polarizing rhetoric of gun politics on all sides only obscures the tragic reality we see every day on our streets: violent criminals with easy access to firearms."


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QUOTE (Maffimuk @ Sep 17 2009, 10:17 AM)
I wasn't trying to contradict you necessarily, because your numbers are accurate. But, many things have changed:
Population, this will cause an increase in numbersGun productionGun sales (legal/illegal)Gun educationGun interest and popularityThe positive thing about the numbers I have posted is that the violent crime rates are decreasing (with/without a gun) due to prosecution, changes in laws, public education and an increase in police services. The reports that are not shown, to my knowledge, is how many homeowners/victims have used guns to protect themselves, which would also account for a decrease in crime. In one community outside of Atlanta, Ga, it is actually a law that every property owner own a gun. Crime rates drastically reduced.


Economics has as much effect on crime rates as anything. Let's hope that the "current economic slump" doesn't have it's usual effect.

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The reports that are not shown, to my knowledge, is how many homeowners/victims have used guns to protect themselves, which would also account for a decrease in crime


I have always wondered how often this happens. I personally know 2 people that were shot. I know one guy who shot his buddy during a drunken brawl. I know a fellow who waved a handgun and chased some kids who threw snowballs at his car (he's in AA now). I know 2 people who shot themselves. But I don't know anybody who used a gun to defend their home and family. I'm sure that it happens, but I have serious questions, based on my own experience, how often it happens.

09/17/2009 6:41 pm

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JoeDog

QUOTE (SWWeiss @ Sep 17 2009, 10:08 AM)
So gun sales are up over the last year and crime is down. Imagine that!


Correlation is not causation. US crime rates have been in decline for years.

09/17/2009 10:03 pm

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Maffimuk

QUOTE (JoeDog @ Sep 17 2009, 10:03 PM)
Correlation is not causation. US crime rates have been in decline for years.

Or has it? Hmmm... inquiring minds want to know. You see it's all about the growth of population and how our wonderful government uses that growth to inadvertently show statistics that would appear as though crime rates were falling. Let's say the population of 1989 remained the same to 2008. The population in 1989 was 246,819,230. Using the given total violent crimes of both 1989 and 2008 would reveal the following:
1989: One violent crime per 150 people

2008: One violent crime per 178 people

But, then again there is safety in numbers.


09/17/2009 10:30 pm

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QUOTE (Maffimuk @ Sep 17 2009, 11:30 PM)
Or has it? Hmmm... inquiring minds want to know. You see it's all about the growth of population and how our wonderful government uses that growth to inadvertently show statistics that would appear as though crime rates were falling. Let's say the population of 1989 remained the same to 2008. The population in 1989 was 246,819,230. Using the given total violent crimes of both 1989 and 2008 would reveal the following:
1989: One violent crime per 150 people

2008: One violent crime per 178 people

But, then again there is safety in numbers.


The homocide rate peaked in the early Nineties. It has since plunged. The rate since has fallen to 1965 levels. The decline began prior to a recent uptick in gun sales. The trend to which I refer directly contracts an implicit claim made by the poster to whom I replied.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States
09/17/2009 10:52 pm

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Maffimuk

QUOTE (JoeDog @ Sep 17 2009, 10:52 PM)
The homocide rate peaked in the early Nineties. It has since plunged. The rate since has fallen to 1965 levels. The decline began prior to a recent uptick in gun sales. The trend to which I refer directly contracts an implicit claim made by the poster to whom I replied.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States

Boy my sarcasm is waaay off tonight.
I was trying to act like a conspiracy theorist who makes the numbers fit to meet their own agenda. I'm just gonna shut up now.

09/17/2009 11:17 pm

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